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  1. Nat Fyfe

    April 23, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Roughed isn’t on 10000 points…not leading by example in my opinion.

    • Lachie Neale

      April 23, 2017 at 7:40 pm

      Was the most moronic comment I have ever read

      • Simon

        April 24, 2017 at 8:53 am

        Hopefully you won’t get dropped to the Magoos next week…

  2. PowerAde

    April 23, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    thank you captain selwood and thank you rookie carnage for the reverse last minute and having to keep Hampton over yeo yeo

    • The Chosen Won

      April 23, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      Nice 350 Mark..

      Good Luck

  3. Nico

    April 23, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    Rage trade Wednesday coming up. What a massive bunch of disappointing potatoes i have

    • Nico

      April 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm

      Oh and another thing, West coast need a bag of shame over their heads for the flight home. Thanks for killing of my 8 leg multi fellas.

      • lizard-of-oz

        April 23, 2017 at 8:08 pm

        *8 leg multi you must live in dreams.

        • Nico

          April 23, 2017 at 11:42 pm

          Dreaming ? Why ?

          I put a $10 8 or 9 leg multi on every week. Keeps the footy interesting

          • Simon

            April 24, 2017 at 8:54 am

            And expensive no doubt…

  4. The Chosen Won

    April 23, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    I am currently on 1711 if the following players hit their projections (Adams 108, Treloar 113, ANB 74, Nanker 76, WHE 70 and Butler 58) I am looking at 2210!

    Par Score?

    Good Luck

    • Grovers Guns

      April 23, 2017 at 7:50 pm

      Par will be high this week

      1678 with Adams (C), Treloar, ANB, Nank and WHE so expecting 2200 myself but there will be a lot higher

    • lizard-of-oz

      April 23, 2017 at 8:11 pm

      Reckon par is about 2280…I’m shooting 2144.

      • Ravalle

        April 23, 2017 at 9:11 pm

        Hope par not quite that high…I reckon about 2200 but that could be wishful thinking!!

        • Patrick

          April 24, 2017 at 5:00 pm

          As Warnie said, par is about 2250 if you’re inside the top 5,000.

          Other than that any score above 2200 should see you move up

  5. MrBarrelroll

    April 23, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    1759 with 6 to go, Adams, ANB, Oliver, Nanker, WHE, Butler. Projected score of 2240.

  6. Ravalle

    April 23, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    1651 with Treloar(c) Grundy Adams & WHE to come…should get 2100+ which hopefully will be enough to hold my rank….
    One trade decision that worked out this week was taking Black instead of Polson…because of my ordinary team and this weeks carnage I had to field him so there was a ton I never ever expected…

  7. Foo Foo the Snoo

    April 23, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    Looks like Aaron Black needs to come in this week. Thinking Roughie and Miles out for Black and maybe a fallen Hanners?

    • LW

      April 23, 2017 at 8:50 pm

      Why would you trade in Hannebury

    • Foo Foo the Snoo

      April 23, 2017 at 9:21 pm

      Proven gun at a discount. Plus despite being 0-5, the swans have 5 pretty winnable games coming up. I don’t think he will stay this cheap.

      Who else would you recommend in the low 500’s?

      • LW

        April 23, 2017 at 9:31 pm

        Get in Roberton and chuck one of your DEFs in MID if you have to

        • Kreb

          April 23, 2017 at 10:44 pm

          “Why would you trade in Hannebury”
          “Get in Roberton”

          • LW

            April 23, 2017 at 11:27 pm

            Yeah?

            One is performing well in fantasy with a new role that is very fantasy friendly, and will make you cash for at least the next couple weeks, and if he keeps it up will be a keeper for the whole season

            The other has been trash 4/5 rounds and there’s no telling if he’ll make you cash, not good enough to be a keeper for the rest of the season regardless

            Hmm which to choose 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

          • Foo Foo the Snoo

            April 24, 2017 at 12:37 pm

            I got Roberton this week I’m happy to say… and yeah hopefully he’ll be a keeper, or at worst an easy stepping stone to one.
            Hanners can’t get any worse so yeah if possible I’ll be jumping on this week or next. He SHOULD average 100 at worst surely, so the only way is up.
            If you only bring premos in that are peaking, you’ll take a long time to finish your team with the risk they could lose form and lose you cash. Jumping on at the right time is key, but not always easy I guess.
            I wouldn’t think Hanners will hurt me other than the missed opportunity to get someone else who takes off… and if you can tell me who that is, i might change my plans…

          • Billy

            April 23, 2017 at 11:46 pm

            you want to buy low, sell high however.

          • Simon

            April 24, 2017 at 8:57 am

            There are lots of fallen premos this year… Hanners, Parker, Neale, Shaw, etc., but could you really bring yourself to trade them in? Seems like a good way to damn your side to mediocrity if they fail to bounce back.

          • Kreb

            April 24, 2017 at 5:49 pm

            Taking risks is the only way to succeed. Hannebery has been the second highest AF scorer over the last two years, and has had no change of role, just a form slump that will reverse itself along with Sydney’s form. Admittedly I would want to see another good game from him before bringing him in however.

            I would be highly surprised if Roberton averages anything over 90, and also if he makes anything over 60k in the next 5 weeks. After this week, he will basically cost the same as Hanners and I’ll eat my shoe if He has a higher average at the end of the year. I know playing the BE’s is all the rage at the moment, but by round 19-20, you want to have a team of 22 premiums if you wanna be right at the top, and you can’t do that if you are constantly using sub-premium stepping stones. I mean, Roberton looks good and all but there’s so many more important players to be looking at, especially with the DPP’s to come this round.

          • stoo

            April 25, 2017 at 5:54 am

            Re: ‘no one is paying $500k for a player they plan to trade out in a few weeks.’

            I am. Yeo for one. He is my step up from Roughy to Roo. Or he scores amazingly and stays.

          • stoo

            April 25, 2017 at 5:55 am

            Meant for Crow

      • Crow

        April 24, 2017 at 11:50 am

        If you buy a fallen premo when he’s priced at 80, then even if he only averages 90 from here on in it will still be a successful trade. People forget that if the price changes then so should your expectations. If he then bounces back to his best you end up with a 110+ player that you bought at 80s price. I’d take Hanners over Roberton every day of the week. There’s only one way for Hanners from here and that is up whereas Roberton could easily fall.

        • PowerAde

          April 24, 2017 at 12:12 pm

          +1

          get in hanners

        • Zedrick

          April 24, 2017 at 2:28 pm

          Different positions so comparing the two makes no sense. If you get in Roberton for 500k and he drops his average to mid 90s you still have a top 6 defender. If you bring Hanners in at his 80s price and he goes on to average 90, it is not a successful trade, you’ll need to burn another trade at some point to bring in an uber premium. I would need to see back to back 100s from Hanners and some confidence from the rest of the Sydney side before i would even contemplate bringing him in.

          • Crow

            April 24, 2017 at 4:58 pm

            What happens if Roberton starts pumping out 60s? We’ve seen this far too many times from defenders playing a similar role. Don’t need another Bachar Houli in your team. Not saying Roberton is a bad pick but definitely far more risk in my opinion. When looking at value you need to consider what the price of the player will be when you plan to trade them out if not a definite keeper. Agree that Roberton will make cash in the short term but no one is paying $500k for a player they plan to trade out in a few weeks. If he spuds it up you could quite easily lose cash on the trade by the time you’re ready to sell. Very little risk of this happening with a fallen premo who is playing the same role for the same team as previous years where age and injury is not a factor, just current form.

          • Kristian

            April 24, 2017 at 11:39 pm

            Your right Hanners aint gonna be a top 8 mid whereas Roberton might be a top 6 defender

          • Foo Foo the Snoo

            April 25, 2017 at 9:36 am

            Pretty good debate here… certainly feels like a different approach this season.

  8. Another Arctic Flying wombat Panda of Doom named Drowning fish

    April 23, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    1365
    With these guys to go: Adams, Treloar, Merrett, Watson, Grundy, Nank, WHE, ANB, Butler
    Looking at 2300 if they get around their averages
    Danger captain and Murphy underscoring is ok,
    Roughie will leave my team this week and EVW was an ok substitute.

  9. itsme

    April 23, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    well i’ve realised how crap i am at fantasy footy. 12/22 played and only one has cracked the tonne, and the worst thing is he’s sitting on the pine

  10. mfawcett

    April 23, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    Just gotten home after driving all day from family camping trip to find myself on 17/1814 with Treloar, Watson, Neal-Bullen, Nank and WHE still to play. Feeling pretty good with that and to see Tuohy go for 131…nice:) What happened to Riewoldt? Steele’s 101 is nice though:)

    • j

      April 23, 2017 at 9:02 pm

      Voldt was playing injured for most of the second half, and spent long sections of time off-field. He had around 50 at half way.

    • Ravalle

      April 23, 2017 at 9:06 pm

      If your captains still to play that could be huge…even if he has and it’s 18/1814 that’s still a bloody good score on the way…

      • mfawcett

        April 23, 2017 at 9:13 pm

        yeah sorry, captained Rocky this week. Had Hampton, Otten, Tuohy and Laird in the backline with Vicker-Willis and Marchbank. That definitely helped. Lowest score so far after Vicker is Swallow’s 60.

  11. McGozzaman

    April 23, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    Not really sure where I am at this stage …

    I’m on 14/1319, left to play are Butler, Nank, ANB, Oliver, T Adams, Grundy, WHE and Treloar (C).

    I’m hoping I can push on beyond 2150, but I’m certainly wishing I had Jelwood instead of Danger after this arvo’s effort.

    Just hoping I picked the right Pie to hang the captaincy on.

  12. Seamus

    April 23, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    1849/18 (inc cap), still got adams, nankervis, WHE and butler to go. Ill be looking at 2150ish i reckon and from the sounds of it that wont be enough to keep my ranking :(

  13. PK

    April 23, 2017 at 11:26 pm

    1781 with Adams, Grundy, Spencer, Nankervis, WHE & Butler to go. Hoping 2300

    • Simon

      April 24, 2017 at 9:04 am

      Shit man… I’ll be lucky to crack the 2k this week. Josh Smith’s sub is Stewart, started EVW and Zac Fisher, have Swallow, and Roughie and Touk failed to bounce back. Even with Rocky as C, I’m on a lowly 1500ish with 6 to play. Was top of my league but will get pumped by about 300pts this week.

      Have too many of those guys everyone is saying to hold… Newman, Barrett, Preuss, JOM, etc. Might have to start getting ruthless!

      • The Spud

        April 24, 2017 at 12:03 pm

        I feel your pain man, Ive got Berry, Polson, Pickett all playing on the field plus other spuds such as Rough, Parker, Fyfe not scoring as well as they could and I only have 1 playing bench player, that being Stewart.

      • PK

        April 24, 2017 at 12:32 pm

        I’ve had a pretty lucky round so far, my backline with laird, zjones, hampton and otten all performed, marchbank went ok. Mids killed it with rockliff (c), danger, tmitchell, beams, mcrouch, hall & macrae but swallow at m8 was my only let down. And my forward line so far who have played is dahl and steele who scored well and rough who is first in line to be traded this week.

      • Simon

        April 24, 2017 at 10:35 pm

        Traded Nank to Spencer this week too. I’ll just be deleting my team if anyone’s looking..

  14. sir relton

    April 24, 2017 at 9:38 am

    Hoping to jump into top 1500 this week 16/1823 sloane (C). Got Adams, Dusty, Oliver, Nank, WHE and ANB. If dusty plays 2400 plus is on the cards otherwise I get Pickett’s 25.

  15. Wiley

    April 24, 2017 at 9:42 am

    Thinking of going Swallow to a premo mid, my choices are Sloane, Zorko, Selwood, or Merrett
    If I get Sloane I’ll have Laird, Hampton, Otten and Sloane, 4 Adelaide players
    Any thoughts

    • Foo Foo the Snoo

      April 24, 2017 at 12:39 pm

      He looks incredible at the moment. If I’m you I’d get him.

    • Simon

      April 24, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      Swallow to anyone who’s last name isn’t Swallow seems like an upgrade at the moment!

      Crows are flying, but so are those other 3 mids you mentioned. Of the 4, I like Jelwood the least. Only because there’s Danger, Duncan and Menegola floating around taking points off him. Same could be said for Zorko tho, but his scores haven’t suffered.

      Hard to go wrong, but I like them in this order: Sloane, Zerrett, Zorks then Jelwood.

      • PowerAde

        April 24, 2017 at 2:22 pm

        funny, I picked jelwood at start of season because of being in same team as danger. he has been captain for me in every game bar one.

        as for mengola and Duncan eating into his return, cant see that happening

        I would rate jelwood 2nd only to rocky this year and then it is only just

        • Simon

          April 24, 2017 at 10:39 pm

          Jelwood 2nd to Rocky? I’m a Jelwood fan and have started with him 4 of the past 5 years… But he shat me last year and a 175 doesn’t suddenly put him above Danger, Zerrett, Sloane et al.

          • PowerAde

            April 25, 2017 at 10:20 am

            very happy wit jelwoods scores before he got his 175.

  16. PowerAde

    April 24, 2017 at 10:43 am

    No particular game, seen three games with questionable umpiring decisions so far this weekend.

    Some so bad it makes you actually wonder if there is any hidden agendas.

    • Billy

      April 24, 2017 at 12:48 pm

      You have to put it down to gross incompetence.

      also, what it with boundary umpires completely losing the ability to throw the ball in?

    • Simon

      April 24, 2017 at 1:58 pm

      Game’s over-officiated these days. I miss the good old days when there were about 4 things you’d get a free for. Umps are constantly over-thinking everything… like when Montagna said yesterday the ump’s decision against him was for a “soft bump” but the ump heard “soft c–t” and penalised 50m for abuse.

      Get the fark over it umpy. Cry at home later ffs and let the big boys play footy!

      • Billy

        April 24, 2017 at 2:05 pm

        Don’t think anything will ever beat Rance giving away a FK for “throwing the ball back too hard”

        • PowerAde

          April 24, 2017 at 2:12 pm

          I dunno, I saw a deliberate paid that was kicked and on second bounce did a right angle over the line.

          pay it for everything or don’t pay it at all, cannot have it changing round by round, heck, it changes game by game now

        • Jarrod

          April 24, 2017 at 4:36 pm

          I think the free kick would have been cause he’s a flog. As as overrated as they come.

          • Billy

            April 25, 2017 at 8:22 am

            It’s a shame you don’t know anything about footy.

  17. Tommygun

    April 24, 2017 at 11:04 am

    On Track for 2331 if averages are achieved, the projected scores put me at 2252 (WHE and ANB scoring mid 70s) – so hoping for somewhere in between. Looks like the best players (and most popular) have all come to the party this week.
    Big movements down from teams with PODS from the Essendon and Carlton midfielders (so called roses) as normality is restored and top spot by year’s end is still up for grabs by anybody in the top 5000.
    Anyone agree?

    • PowerAde

      April 24, 2017 at 11:29 am

      I’m on track for 2348 if remaining guys achieve averages and I have no danger, rocky, zerret. I do agree with you that top spot is very much open this year though

      • Tom

        April 24, 2017 at 2:36 pm

        Good luck, it remains to be seen what the best strategy is this year. I have Rocky and Danger, no Zerret yet but they are all top 8 mids IMO. How you get them and how quickly is another question!

    • Jarrod

      April 24, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      I was ranked 31 at this start of this round and I have no chance of finishing first. Anybody in the top 5000 is a bit of a stretch I’d say.

      • Kreb

        April 24, 2017 at 4:48 pm

        Why do you have no chance

        • Patrick

          April 24, 2017 at 5:04 pm

          Presumably mid-priced madness and low cash generation from rookies

        • Jarrod

          April 24, 2017 at 7:20 pm

          I was already 300 behind first. Lot of points to make up.

          • Billy

            April 24, 2017 at 8:08 pm

            Considering how many points can we gained and lost in the byes and then the big scoring 2400+ rounds down the back end of the year where scoring 2100 could lose you 300 points in a round.

            So long to go, nothing is determined yet.

          • Bigfoot

            April 25, 2017 at 8:29 am

            A massive year for points. My lowest score has been 2050 and last time I checked I’m -800 points from first. 2 (2000+ scores) & 2 (2100+ scores) should make 2300+ this week but still getting burnt off.

      • tommygun

        April 24, 2017 at 5:16 pm

        Yeah, but possible. Obviously everything has to go right to win this type of competition.

  18. Z

    April 24, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    +3 playing selwood as captain, -3 Gaff, Fyfe, Swallow, Picket(on bench)

  19. Jerry

    April 24, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    atm my score is 1516 with 7 players still to come and Polsen on field (35) should have picked black.

    so hopefully trelor (my captain), Adams and Grundy dominate and ANB WHE Nank and Butler have solid 70-90’s (unlikely butler will get there but can hope).

    looking at upgrading Miles to Black and sideways Barrett to Myers next week as Myers will come in after the VFL showing on the weekend

    • Tom

      April 24, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      Barrett to Myers should make some money – not entirely sideways.

      • Jerry

        April 24, 2017 at 3:08 pm

        true atleast he will play.

        just they are around the same price and means i can upgrade a defender or forward to a premium. maybe by the times the bye rounds roll around

  20. omar

    April 24, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    who is a good cheap defender to replace newman from sydney same price or just a bit more not fussed cheaper all the better

    • PowerAde

      April 24, 2017 at 3:14 pm

      I reckon newman may get picked next game after his efforts on weekend, may be worth waiting until teams are named.

      Williamson, MELICON AND EVW all worth alook

      • Jerry

        April 24, 2017 at 3:18 pm

        Luke Ryan if fit will play for Fremantle

        • Kristian

          April 24, 2017 at 11:36 pm

          No way Luke Ryan is gonna come into a winning team for a derby

  21. Jerry

    April 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    heeney worth picking up or wait a few weeks they have carlton this week and should win.

    or Steele worth picking up against hawks?

    • Tommygun

      April 24, 2017 at 5:17 pm

      My sister’s team could be Carlton this week.

      • PowerAde

        April 24, 2017 at 6:09 pm

        some effort issues at carlton, couple of younger players are only going at 70% IMO

        • Another Arctic Flying wombat Panda of Doom named Drowning fish

          April 24, 2017 at 9:17 pm

          Steele for me,

          I’m swans and i wont be touching him for atleast 3 rounds

  22. dtno0ob

    April 24, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    not sure why on earth i’d trust a bloke for r2 that looks like he lives off hungry jack’s coupons

    • Nat Fyfe

      April 24, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      Lack of effort…Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets delisted end of year…

  23. Nat Fyfe

    April 24, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    Preuss to Spencer lol fmdt

    • Another Arctic Flying wombat Panda of Doom named Drowning fish

      April 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm

      Thanks mate, you’ve just put yourself further down the overall ladder,
      Never trust woolie Mamoths,.., they’ve been extinct for 100’s of years

  24. M8

    April 24, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    Trade Swallow or Roughead first? have 311k in the bank

    • Another Arctic Flying wombat Panda of Doom named Drowning fish

      April 24, 2017 at 10:20 pm

      Roughie

  25. Simon

    April 24, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    Up against ANB as a unique, so watching him like a hawk… He’s been given at least 4 tackles for stuff that doesn’t count for anyone else. Except maybe Libba

    • The Chosen Won

      April 24, 2017 at 10:16 pm

      He just lost one 10 min after game ends!

      Good Luck

      • Simon

        April 25, 2017 at 7:37 am

        He needs to lose at least two others that were basically Dusty fend offs, not tackles. I’m trying to lose by less than 300pts dammit!

  26. Alex

    April 24, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    2050 with WHE, Treloar and Adams to go, pretty pleased. If I had two other than Swallow and SPP maybe would be a shake for the weekly. Firmed into the top 1000. Similarly, looking to decide whether to ditch Roughie or Swallow for Hannerberry or Parker next week

    • sir relton

      April 25, 2017 at 9:12 am

      im 2268 with WHE and Adams left. thiught i might be pushing for the weekly top, but there are a few monster scores out there already. will be more than happy to crack top 1000 though.
      id go one up one down with decent rooks to choose and grab a premo until sydney show signs of life

  27. Jarrod

    April 24, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    Is ANB a sure thing to maintain his spot in the Dees side? Despite scoring well I thought he had a poor game tonight.

    • Alex

      April 24, 2017 at 10:58 pm

      Did have 10 tackles which is normally a good sign for a coach – two injuries as well (even though one is the big ruckman) probably will help. The concern is Bugg and Lewis next week but I wouldn’t think he would be the one to go

  28. mfawcett

    April 25, 2017 at 8:39 am

    2036 with Treloar, Watson and WHE to come.

  29. Grovers Guns

    April 25, 2017 at 9:50 am

    2300 will be minimum to move forward this week

    1900 with Captain Adams, Treloar and WHE to come I will be disappointed if I don’t make it

    Already planned for Hampton, Otten, NAnk, PP or Hannan to go this week and it is now definitely PP and Hannan (subject to no surprise injuries). Touk gets 1 more week or Nank goes forward and Grundy is welcomed

  30. Anthony

    April 25, 2017 at 10:29 am

    1843 with treolar captain and adams whe to go

  31. Jasper Pittard

    April 25, 2017 at 10:30 am

    2065 with Adams, Treloar, WHE to come. Projected score of 2356. Is that just par this week?

    • ravalle

      April 25, 2017 at 11:29 am

      Will be a little above par I reckon….2300 sounds about right,..i will be lucky to break 2100!! I must of been delusional thinking my team was on the improve before this round started…

  32. Grovers Guns

    April 25, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    With enough good premos on every line except forward, do you see anyone worthwhile gaining forward status?

    Anyone gaining mid status is just pointless

    Only one I can think of is Robbie Gray

    • Agents of S.H.I.E.L

      April 25, 2017 at 1:32 pm

      AFL Fantasy tweeted that four midfielders who have averaged 93 or more in previous seasons will get FWD DPP. However I think Gray will be the only relevant player. The others will probably be underwhelming options such as Kieran Jack, Mitch Robinson and Travis Boak.

    • SOgnenis

      April 25, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      Should be a few, see the latest Traders podcast. Even guys like Otten going forward (good scoring, decent JS) will be useful for team shuffling.

      • Agents of S.H.I.E.L

        April 25, 2017 at 2:19 pm

        Yeah Otten and Barrett (if he ever comes back) getting FWD DPP will be extremely useful. However in terms of premium options gaining FWD DPP, I think Gray will be the only relevant player.

  33. Rageaholic

    April 25, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    When did Pendlebury become such a shit c**t?

  34. mfawcett

    April 25, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    2308 and jumped from a bit over 9,000 to 514 it says. Happy camper here:)

    • Will

      April 25, 2017 at 6:05 pm

      Guessing this is RDT and not fantasy?

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