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Toby Greene – Deck of DT 2016

Toby Greene. Fantasy Pig or Fantasy Tease? Griff run’s his eye over the young GWS Giant and determines – he’s a wildcard.

GreeneMachineName: Toby Greene
Club: GWS Giants
Position:  Forward / Midfielder
AFL Fantasy: $473,000
AFL Dream Team: $496,200
Super Coach: $446,900
Bye Round: 15
2015 Average: 85.7
2015 Games Played: 22
Predicted Average: 79 – 109*

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Why should I pick him?

Why shouldn’t I pick him?

So here’s the go. Usually we all follow a predictable format outlining the pros and cons of picking certain players. But I’m not going to tell you one way or another if you should or shouldn’t pick Toby Greene in 2016.

In researching the Greene Machine, every time I think of a reason to pick him, the same reason aligns with why you don’t want to pick him.

Toby has shown all the signs suggesting he will become a fantasy football pig, but he also has all the signs to suggest he will become a fantasy football tease. It’s up to you to roll the dice on him, and all I can do is show you why I’m so divided.

Career to Date

When he debuted for the Giants in 2012 Toby was an inside/outside midfielder who seemingly had open reign to follow the ball around all day. He averaged 96.2 points per game from 19 games that season and was the next big thing.

In 2013 Toby’s lack of defence pressure saw him playing much of the season off the back flank, learning to be accountable for his opponent. He averaged 76.5 points per game from 19 games that season and was the next big flop.

In 2014 Toby was used by new coach Leon Cameron to feed off packs and drive the ball forward, but his lacklustre disposal saw him slowly pushed out of the midfield for better users like recently drafted Josh Kelly and pushed forward, to limit any damage from missing a leading barn door target. He averaged 102.9 points per game and was back on the radar.

In 2015 Toby found himself a niche role off the half forward flank. His natural instincts still pulled him forward towards the midfield, but it was clear that Leon Cameron was most comfortable with Toby playing forward (despite not having a huge impact on the scoreboard – kicking 15 goals 12 behinds from 22 games). He averaged a respectable 85.7 points from 22 games.

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What’s Next?

In 2016 Toby is a midfielder/forward dual position player at a tempting price. Being able to pick him as a forward makes him more desirable as our forwards are expected to score less than our midfielders, reducing the risk in picking him.

With the departure of Adam Treloar he may see himself used more in the midfield like in 2014. But at the same time incoming players Matthew Kennedy and Jacob Hopper are contested beasts with cleaner disposal.

Jack Steele continues to make improvements and is two inches taller than Toby, making him a more unique prospect to play out of the midfield, again, with better disposal efficiency.

Tom Scully and Dylan Shiel will return to the team after extended absences in 2015, and they are first choice midfielders over Greene.

Steve Johnson comes into the team and will be more damaging as a high forward flanker than Toby and second year Giant Jarrod Pickett is fast developing in a similar role.

It has to be asked; is Toby even in the best 22?

Is Toby Greene going to remain in the Giants best 22 all season?

  • Yes. (77%, 809 Votes)
  • No. (23%, 247 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,056

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The thing Toby has got going for him is that he doesn’t give up. His attitude on the field is one of dogged determination and when he is picked to play, he gives everything he’s got. He’s shown he is versatile by playing midfield, defence and now forward, and he is one of the more mature bodies available for the Giants.

A Value Pick?

Currently, 16.64% of coaches think that he is under-priced in AFL Fantasy, and have him locked into their team. He did wear the substitute vest twice last year, scoring 38 and 75, so there is an argument he has some improvement if he plays the exact same role.

If his role doesn’t change, there’s not too much likelihood of an increase in Toby’s value. He spent 45% of his time behind centre square in 2015, so it’s not like he was chained to the goal post.

Then again, if he is seen as the logical replacement for Treloar by Leon Cameron, and new (to the Giants starting 22) players (Steve Johnson, Matt Kennedy, Jarrod Pickett or Jacob Hopper) introduced in his role on the forward flank instead of the midfield, you could be landing a forward who will average 110+ across 22 games.


Deck of DT Rating.

JOKER – Jokers are wild.

Toby could be the card you need for the Ace high straight flush in your fantasy football team, or he could be the card that turns your ‘all in’ to ‘all out’. The reality is that Toby is an unknown entity going into 2016.

Despite posing the question, I can’t see him being left out of the best 22, as he offers too much – at the moment. He’s poor disposal makes him a liability, but his effort makes him incredibly valuable. He can score 140s, and follow it up with 60s. He can win the Giants the game, and then get suspended. He… You get my point.

*On the 25th of February the Giants will play the Swans in the NAB Challenge. Watch him like a hawk and if he looks like he’s Treloar’s replacement, you have to consider him – he could go close to a 110 point season. But if he looks to be a bench rotation, or a forward six option, you’ll probably want to pass on an 80 point season.

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  1. Hbotrublood

    February 10, 2016 at 8:40 am

    Fit magnet that has had time to mature , this is going to be a massive year for him and good news is he’s available as a forward you ripper , hoping ever one else disagrees lock him in

  2. barkhammer

    February 10, 2016 at 8:45 am

    Who took Shiel’s spot in the midfield when he got injured last year? Certainly wasn’t Greene.

    It’s a pass from me unless he’s getting dedicated midfield time in the NAB.

    • RLGriffin

      February 10, 2016 at 10:47 am

      That spot was filled by a mix of Josh Kelly, Jack Steele and Ryan Griffen. Last year the Giants probably played with one midfielder too many (up until injuries) which meant they could largely cover losses without bringing in too many players.

      I tend to agree, that if Greene wasn’t thrown into the midfield last year, he’s less likely for it to happen again this year, now that everyone is fit.

  3. Jimmy

    February 10, 2016 at 8:46 am

    Nice right up griff. One thing you forgot to mention is that he is a total bell end!! But sometimes bell ends win you games in fantasy eg. Dusty.. With the improving Ahern going down that’s one less guy for him to worry about but then there is hake Barrett. Job security an issue for me, think tmitchell early doors. A definite watch for me but sure to be in a lot of teams. That’s my bit. Cheers :)

    • Jimmy

      February 10, 2016 at 8:46 am

      Jake Barrett

    • RLGriffin

      February 10, 2016 at 10:48 am

      Cheers. I’m not too worried about job security (at least to start the year) as I am about role, but once Pickett, Kennedy and Hopper get up to seniors pace, he might have something to worry about.

  4. PK

    February 10, 2016 at 8:56 am

    Great arcticle! I love the bloke. In 2014 I traded him into my side for round 21, recieving scores of 126, 165 & 125 and took out my league title. However, he is not in my side at the moment (TMitchell is risky enough) I just cant see him playing in the middle. If he proves me wrong in the NAB then hes in..

    • RLGriffin

      February 10, 2016 at 10:49 am

      Ditto. He and Libba/Hunter are the players I’ll be watching most intently in the NAB Challenge. He’s best is too good to ignore, but his worst is too risky without knowing his role.

  5. CrozaN.

    February 10, 2016 at 8:57 am

    His disposal is too crap for him to take that mid spot, so he will remain playing forward IMO….its a no for me.

  6. Hbotrublood

    February 10, 2016 at 9:01 am

    96.2 ,76.5 , 85.7 , 102.9 these averages are nothing to overlook nice write up griff. Added and divided by 4 come out at 89.3 not a bad average for a forward hopefully with more game time through the middle , what forwards will average more than 90 this year ?

    • RLGriffin

      February 10, 2016 at 10:57 am

      The problem with averaging his four seasons to date is that it ignores the fact his scoring is determined by his role, and his role hasn’t been the same over those four seasons. As a forward, his current role, he averages around 85.

      As for forwards who may average 90+, there are two categories – those more expensive and those less expensive than Toby. The way I see it, those capable (but not certain) are:

      More expensive: Deledio, Martin, Barlow, Montagna, Dahlhaus, Bennell, Robinson, Motlop, Wingard, Johnson and Smith.

      Less expensive: Franklin, Billings, Tippett, Hall, Wright and Bird.

  7. Bandicoot

    February 10, 2016 at 10:57 am

    After picking up both Hopper and Kennedy in the draft, midfield time will be shared even more, I would be surprised if at least one (if not both) of these gun kids don’t spend time there this year.
    That doesn’t leave a spot for Greene imo.
    It’s a No for me but a great article as always Grif.

  8. Dead Last

    February 10, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Was Toby vested at any time last season to affect his average.

    • RLGriffin

      February 10, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      This information is in the article you just read.

      • Albert_Lloyd

        February 10, 2016 at 1:32 pm

        Did he doe

      • Dead Last

        February 10, 2016 at 2:42 pm

        Cheers for that

  9. reimersworstguy

    February 10, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    got a hunch about Steele. reckon he could be the best mid priced forward option. tackle machine offsets his handball happy game.

  10. samdiatmh

    February 10, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    for me, it’s all about NAB (and the role) for this guy

    currently debating my F3 as to whether it’s him or teammate Devon (I like watching Devon play, but he lacks the 150+ games)

  11. Matthew

    February 10, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Certainly puts doubt in the mind but at this stage just like everything else wait for the nab

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