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The best MID/FWD Dual Position Players

Rainman back and this time looking at the young MID/FWD DPP’s that have everyone excited and how their numbers stack up! He looks at Beams, Fyfe, Martin, Robinson, Zaharakis, Lewis and Sidebottom… everyone will have a couple of these guys in their teams, which are the best?

Rainman back and this time looking at the young MID/FWD DPP’s that have everyone excited and how their numbers stack up!

Now when I went to school the guys that could play footy were called Michael, Garry, Jason, Steve…. but now days not so much… maybe it is because they were teased so much at school but the focus of the analysis is around; Dayne, Steele, Mitch, Dustin,Jordan and 2 guys with reasonably normal names Nathan and David. (No Offence to all of the rest of the Steele’s out there… Remington.. I am looking at you)

Are these guys worth choosing ahead of proven dpp premos like Goodes, Pav, ROK, Chappy etc… that I can’t answer but I can give you some guidance on who out of the new breed that you should choose.

So who stacks up out of:

  • Beams
  • Fyfe
  • Martin
  • Robinson
  • Zaha
  • Lewis
  • Sidebottom

Good Question… I am glad you asked..

Now depending on who you listen to, these guys are all:

a) Primed for more time in the midfield this year
b) Training their boots off in the Pre Season
c) Carrying an injury.
d) All of the above

This analysis isn’t buying into any of that, but simply looking at last years performance and some predictions about the year ahead.

Firstly..these guys are listed as FWD’s primarily (As in that is the spot that we are gonna pick them, not many will use any of these guys in their MID’s).. so do they perform like FWD’s should and kick scores?

  • Martin 11%
  • Zaha 10%
  • Beams 9%
  • Sidebottom 7%
  • Fyfe 6%
  • Robinson 4%
  • Lewis 4%

Does that tell us anything… probably not… any goals are a bonus.. but that applies to any MID.. and lets face it that is what these guys are… thankfully for us though they are dressed up as FWD’s… Happy Days!

In 2011 how many of these consistently scored over 100… which is what we are looking at for a Premo

  • Beams 57% (8) + 2 over 90
  • Lewis 50% (11) + 1 over 90
  • Fyfe 48% (10) + 6 over 90
  • Zaha 39% (9) + 2 over 90
  • Martin 36% (8) + 5 over 90
  • Robinson 35% (8) + 7 over 90
  • Sidebottom 25% (6) + 5 over 90

Fyfe and Beams jump out with over 3/4 of their games scoring over 90 (Beams only played 14 games) with Robinson not far behind at 67%

I have also looked at each players “Purple Patch” for this I have looked at where a player has strung together consecutive games where they have scored higher than their yearly average.

Average over that period, No# of games

  • Fyfe 120 (3 Games)
  • Beams 119 (6)
  • Martin 113 (5)
  • Lewis 110 (4)
  • Robinson 107 (3)
  • Zaha 105 (3)
  • Sidebottom 99 (3)

Beams was on a very sweet run and this is reflected with those 6 games being 23.9 points higher than his average… Dustin Martin was 24.1 points higher, With Fyfe at 21.5 over… you can work out the rest of the guys.

As DT officianados… one stat that we always look at for our ball magents is Kick to Handball ratio (although Mitchell, Thompson and Swallow are starting to prove that you get enough of the pill this stat starts to pale)…anyhoo, below is the split for disposal… in brackets next to it is % of points that are made up of marks.

Martin 64/36 12%
Robinson 59/41 17%
Zaha 59/41 15%
Sidebottom 56/44 18%
Lewis 54/46 19%
Beams 52/48 16%
Fyfe 48/52 16%

Now to my favourite stat… looking at the teams that the above play twice across 2012… also have included their average against GC last year..(interestingly none of these guys play GC or GWS twice).. so read GC average as what i would apply for GWS.

Ave Diff to Ave
Martin 75 (-14.3) GC 95
Zaha 98 (+8.8) GC 72
Sidebottom 88 (+2.3) GC 94
Fyfe 101 (+2.1) GC 104
Robinson 88 (-3.7) GC 99
Beams 75 (-20.1) GC DNP
Lewis 91 (+0.4) GC 103

How do you decide whether these guys are starters from the get go or an upgrade target down the track. Lets look at whether they are your Black Caviar’s or more your Makybe Diva’s…

First Half Second Half (Diff)
Martin 94.6 85.2 (-9.4)
Zaha 80.6 95.2 (+14.6)
Sidebottom 89.2 83.2 (-6.0)
Fyfe 99.2 97.8 (-1.4)
Robinson 89.7 93.7 (+4.0)
Beams 88.3 101.9 (+13.6)
Lewis 75.4 102.9 (+27.5)

Jordan Lewis came home with a wet sail, as did Zaha and Beams.. the rest of the guys were reasonably consistent… and lets face it Dustin could never live up to all the Chuck Norris comparisons.

From a scoring potential.. all of these guys have an enormous ceiling ranging from 128 to 142… so the man crush can be justified.

Lastly.. I have looked at price… I have simply calculated what I consider their points per dollar (PPD) .. (message me if you want the calcs).. on average at the start of the year against my predicted average PPD at the end of the year (Bear in mind there are a lot of assumptions here)

Here the higher number is better.

Start Finish
Martin 2.02 1.88
Zaha 2.04 2.09
Sidebottom 1.99 2.02
Fyfe 2.02 2.04
Robinson 2.01 1.98
Beams 1.89 1.71
Lewis 2.04 2.05

(Bear in mind the above is just using the starting price for 2012… we know prices will fluctate markedly and this therefore affects someone like Beams adversely)

So … are they worth it?

For me… yeah I think that a couple of them are.

Before this analysis I had Martin and Zaha locked in with Buddy and Big Trav in the FWD line of “The Rainmen”…now… well.. I really like Fyfe’s consistency, Robbo starts to become more selectable and Lewis becomes a delicious smokie. Beams will be an upgrade if the planets align and the Tatts dont become infected.

Anyway.. hope you enjoy the read and it generates some discussion.


Which of these MID/FWDs will you be picking in 2012?

  • Dayne Beams (7%, 15 Votes)
  • Nathan Fyfe (10%, 20 Votes)
  • Dustin Martin (34%, 71 Votes)
  • Mitch Robinson (8%, 17 Votes)
  • David Zaharakis (21%, 43 Votes)
  • Jordan Lewis (5%, 10 Votes)
  • Steele Sidebottom (15%, 30 Votes)

Total Voters: 84

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  1. Wombat

    January 24, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    great article mate! making me think twice about including sidebum

    • TeamSuperAwesome

      January 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm

      Likewise! He doesn’t really appear to be the lock I thought he was a month ago.

  2. tigesboy13

    January 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Brain overload

    • tuppy

      January 24, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      +1 must be us tiger supporters

    • JungleMuffin

      January 24, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      +1. Enough random meaninglesss numbers to make me regret reading it D:

  3. juddy69

    January 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Great article. Will be refering to this when choosing my FWDs and Lewis is looking good after reading

    • smallmen

      January 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      Lewis usually plays a few games as a forward tag which normally equates to a few < 50 pt games.

  4. TrueBLUE

    January 24, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Very nice work, Rainman.

  5. Brappinalong

    January 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Magnificent article, that’s what I call a detailed player by player analysis. Time for new batteries for your calculator Rainman!!

  6. tuppy

    January 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    tooo much time on your hands or just hanging for dt to start like the rest of us ,and maybe it helped some people with their decisions,but for me that was just useless info,ya still have to choose for yourself,wether or not ya look that far into it or not (i dont think ya have to) ya could pretty much work that much out without all them charts
    dont want to slag off anyone who is adding to dt talk and trying to help people,but for how much i learnt by reading it,i think youd do ya head in going to all that trouble for something that was pretty much easy to work out by playing and watching for the last 2 yrs.
    sorry but i found that verging on annoying to brainer stuff

    • spartan crumpet

      January 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      wow, tuppy comes on to this website to read the articles posted by others to try and find out anything that probably can help him make a better team. if he know’s better he rubbishes the author and advises people to watch and play two years of football as it is easier than twenty minutes of research and cutting and posting. Ps this game is based on stats so charts are the perfect thing for dt

      • JungleMuffin

        January 24, 2012 at 4:46 pm

        He’s right though.

      • tuppy

        January 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm

        spartan crumpet..the game is based on alot more than stats especially ones from past still comes down to opinion,otherwise we would all pick the blokes with the best stats and that would be it

        if you want to pick your side from charts from previous seasons instead of trying to find value or someone u think is set for a breakout season,or one of the many other theories that make this game great do it..but i wouldnt recomend you go and play the real game ,id just stick to dt etc because u sooks would be in all sorts of trouble on a field judging by the way yous r crying over my opinion pfft

    • dt rox

      January 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm


      • dt rox

        January 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm

        meaning dislike tuppys comments very much

    • Nabzz

      January 24, 2012 at 4:17 pm

      tuppy mate, theyre not gunna tell you exactly who to pick, your’e the one who should work it out for yourself,

      Great read Rainman, keep it up

    • benno

      January 24, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      Fuck off then Tuppy… Ur a dick mate…
      Many dt talkers enjoy the stats…
      Keep shit like that to ya self. If it’s not worthy of being posted I’m sure the boys won’t put it up.

      • tuppy

        January 25, 2012 at 5:30 pm

        maybe i should sit this one out ha,i dont think i got any burns ,but u made yourself look like a 2 yr old with the comment above
        im not after anyones respect and i know what a unique pick is,but its hard to show people like u any respect when the bloke who wrote the article didnt take any offence to it,but u want to talk like a two yr old over it

    • giants

      January 24, 2012 at 6:54 pm


      This is a stats based game tuppy, a fair amount of the discussion and research is going to be based around statistics.

      This is a well put together article for what it is (though if you’re really discussing the ‘best’ M/F options you really should mention those already established). If you didn’t learn anything from it, you’ve either done all of the same research already (in which case it makes no sense to comment the way you did) or perhaps you just aren’t thinking about it hard enough. FWIW I don’t plan on starting with any of these guys, but I still found the article to be informative.

      • wcarey

        January 24, 2012 at 8:51 pm

        Ban tuppy

        • tuppy

          January 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm

          u r a tuppy..enough said

  7. dyslexia

    January 24, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Can somebody answer a question for me. Michael Barlow has played some time as forward last season, why isn’t he a DPP? He tends to break tags by heading into the forward lines he would spend 40% of time there per game.

    • hypojezza

      January 24, 2012 at 4:38 pm

      I’d love to know how they choose the DPP status too. For example, Dane Swan kicked 30 goals last year – more than Sidebottom, Beams and Fyfe – surely that should make him DPP??!

      • Adam

        January 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm

        im pretty sure they do it by working out in what percentage they acculualte their possesions over the field (eg dusty, say (guess) he gets 65% in the mids and 35% up forward)
        champion data works it all out

        • dyslexia

          January 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm

          It still doesn’t answer my question?

          • dyslexia

            January 24, 2012 at 5:17 pm

            I thought he would get it this season.

        • Bandicoot

          January 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm

          Wasn’t Swan actually named in the all Australian side as a forward???

      • DS

        January 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm

        Champion Data work out the positions and Virtual Sports use them for DT

    • fattony

      January 24, 2012 at 5:38 pm

      They do whatever the hell they want at champion data.

      If they made swan a mid/fwd, literally 90% of coaches would get him

    • mtooler

      January 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm

      I’m peeved Bartel isn’t DPP they’re kidding aren’t they?

    • thommo

      January 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm

      Simple answer, and possibly wrong, but I’ve always thought it was to make the game harder – if players like Swan and Barlow are forward/mids, everyone with any idea will have them in their forward line. And we will have to put up with “cookie-cutter team” complaints every day.

  8. Sloth

    January 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Great article, thanks a lot mate.

  9. Mike

    January 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    If I remember correctly is that Fyfe has had an interrupted pre-season due to an injury

    ‘Fyfe, 20, one of the stars of the Dockers’ 2011 campaign, has been nursed through pre-season because of major shoulder surgery and a groin problem, but came through a lengthy session well before joining teammates Garrick Ibbotson and Nick Lower for extra running.’

    A groin problem sounds scarey to me, being only 20 years old that could have been the dreaded OP or not, but either way it’s not great in my view for his scoring potential in DT

    • Grazza

      January 24, 2012 at 6:48 pm

      Early on I had Fyfe locked until I heard more about this. He played with the shoulder problem for the second half of last season and it was affecting him a bit by the end.
      He’s not gonna be in my starting team as I’m sure his interrupted pre-season will see him struggle to repeat last years performances

  10. Master DT

    January 24, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    tell me about Lewis. Is he going well on the track? Hawks will win the flag this year, Lewis will be awesome come finals…he is worthy of being my 7th forward! Why not start the season with him….

    • Kevin

      January 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm

      I have to say Benno that was one of the funniest posts I’ve read! Good on ya champ. Love the passion! I actually found the article interesting but more importantly I think that anyone who goes to the effort of trying to help other DTers should be thanked not criticised. So thank you Rainman!

      • Kevin

        January 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm

        Sorry that was in reply to Benno’s post. As for Jordan Lewis I have seen him train twice this year and he does look really fit ( to be honest they all do!) I think he will be a good consistent unique player. I would love to have him as a 7th forward. The other forwards would have to be pretty good!

        • tuppy

          January 25, 2012 at 2:17 pm

          a unique pick is one that you pick yourself,not one that you see in a write up and pick because the stats look good and everyone else is now thinking of doing it

          • Warnie


            January 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm

            No tuppy, a unique pick is one that not many other players in the comp would have. I would call Lewis unique as he was selected by less than 2000 coaches last year.

            Just remember that just about every player in the AFL gets spoken about through all of the DT media there is out there, mate.

          • benno

            January 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm

            Ahahahaha …. Maybe you should sit this one out tuppy… Multiple burns for you in this post!

  11. 7ator

    January 24, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Great article, lots to think about.

    I never really considered Lewis until i read this, though i think the problem with him is that alot of the other guys mentioned will up their average by a fair bit, where as i think Lewis will struggle to improve on last season.

    • Kevin

      January 24, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      I agree that why I won’t pick Beams Lewis and I’ll wait for Fyfe, because I don’t see them really improving on last years averages. I think the others have room for improvement with greater time in the middle.

  12. Benny

    January 24, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Great article, with some very interesting facts, but I think it would have been good to add the simplest stats: their average from last year and their price this year! Makes it a lot easier to compare quickly, rather than having to have the prices committed to memory or having to look them up.

    • giants

      January 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      I remember prices solely be average. Beams is priced at 100ppg, Martin and Zaha 90ppg, etc. Prices are all relative to each other (for the most part), so Beams will be 10% more expensive than the other two.

  13. PurpleArmy

    January 24, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Im thinking Dusty will be a handy pick up after his bye. The tigers play the top 8 teams from last year in the first 10 rounds!, not only that out of his bottom 11 teams that he averages against 7 of them are teams he plays in this period. Its a bit worrying. After the bye the tigers run home is pretty easy and they should dominate a bit more.

    • Adamant

      January 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm

      Dusty an upgrade target in round 14.

    • giants

      January 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm


      Colin Sylvia has a similarly easy run at the end of the year, so I think they may end up being my upgrade targets in the forward line.

      • PurpleArmy

        January 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm


        Swapped him for Goodes, who in my books will break his curse of bad 1st halfs with his easy rounds before his bye. He’s gonna tear it up :)

        • Adamant

          January 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm

          I swapped Dusty for Goodes aswell due to Sydney’s draw in the first half of the season. Even in Goodes DoDT, Calvin’s graph shows that Goodes still averages 88+ in his first half of the season which isnt that bad, plus he plays GWS round 1 :)

          • giants

            January 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm

            Actually, if you’re paying for an average of 99, which is what he averaged last year, 88 is pretty horrible.

          • PurpleArmy

            January 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm

            he’s just saying 88 for a guy who apparently has ‘bad’ 1st halfs isnt that bad. You dont get a 99 average from one half of the season

  14. Dezza

    January 24, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    This is the first article I have seen give some love to Jordan Lewis. Not many teams have him in Team Planner and when he has selected he has been criticized as dodgy selection.

    I never did all the stats you did Rainman (great article by the way) but I had thought that out of all those forwards Lewis might be the most consistent/dependable. However more teams are opting for Zaharakis.

    What are your thoughts Rainman on taking Lewis versus taking Zaharakis with his knee soreness.

    • rainman

      January 25, 2012 at 7:51 am

      Hey Dezza,

      Both Zaha and Lewis have their upside. The thing I like about Lewis (and cant stand the hawks) is that he is an old fashioned grunt player, which can be to his detriment, similar in a lot of ways to Robinson he likes to get down and dirty, meaning his tackle count is higher than some of the others, but also he is known to throw a stray elbow too, a danger with Frees Against and also obviously suspension. He does also play for a very DT friendly team!

      I am not sure that Zaha has put enough runs on the board as yet to convince me (after looking through the analysis) that he is gonna be good from the get go… I think he and Dusty Martin will be on my radar for possible upgrades later in the year pending performance and whether there is any merit to the injury scares.

  15. rainman

    January 24, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Hey guys,

    Thanks for the feedback good and bad.

    As I stated above this is definitely not a guru’s view, but just me, a couple of reds and excel. Something that I will use in putting my best lads on the park. Some of you may find it useful, some may not… But it combines footy, red wine and excel…. Yep that is nerd heaven for me.

    As for whoever commented about me having too much spare time….4 kids under 6 with another on the way…. This is my escape!

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if those mids that kicked over 20-25 goals were dpp…. Can’t see it happening any time soon.

    Thanks again

    • Kevin

      January 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm

      Good on ya Rainman. I’ve got two boys under five and our household is crazy. I feel for ya buddy!!! Great work champ thanks for the info!!!

      • Kevin

        January 24, 2012 at 7:13 pm

        Ps. If you had DT during the summer you might not have as many little Rainmen!!! Haha.

        • rainman

          January 25, 2012 at 7:54 am

          LOL… yeah thanks Kev… God DT in the summer… we can only dream!

    • Kevin

      January 24, 2012 at 7:15 pm

      Haven’t seen much love for Winderlich. He looks like great value. Any thoughts??

      • PurpleArmy

        January 24, 2012 at 7:44 pm

        gonna wait for nab cup, Knee reco’s are a funny injury for some players, takes them time to get confidence on it again. Lenny is also one to watch


    January 24, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    My… brain …urts… Hurry up Feb 1st……. nice work Brainman

  17. The Johnsonator

    January 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    What are everyone’s thoughts on Pearce Hanley? A bit unique at 396k too, as a 4th Defender.
    May also have more midfield time as Docherty is coming in to the DEF.

    Adcock + Houli
    Deledio + Hanley

    thought please!

    • insider out

      January 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      I like Hanley (in a non sexual way)

      • PurpleArmy

        January 24, 2012 at 9:56 pm

        agreed tossing (in a non sexual way) up between him and Adcock

    • barlow4brownlow

      January 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm

      Yeah gotta go delids for mine – plus hanley as “unique” makes it look even better!

  18. thommo

    January 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Nice write up, Rainman. I bet you like your coloured highlighters a little too much.

    I’m a Hawthorn member and remember saying to anyone who would listen that Lewis finished 2011 in the best form of his career and was probably our best finals player.

    I’m just a little worried about his tendency to headbutt idiots (even Essendon supporters probably feel like headbutting Monfries at times, although not as much as Stanton perhaps).

    Just not confident about selecting him.

    • The Johnsonator

      January 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      well would you rather Zaha, Robinson or Lewis?

    • rainman

      January 25, 2012 at 7:56 am

      You know me too well!!!
      Yeah that is definitely the downside of Lewis….I keep changing my mind on whether he will make it in to my side or not. Like everything will monitor NAB I guess.

      • thommo

        January 26, 2012 at 12:46 am

        I’m being a pessimist, but if the Hawks run their preseason like last year, don’t expect the guns to score much. Clarko will be trialling youngsters in new positions and draftees to see how they stand up.

        In answer to Zaha vs Robinson, I think Zaha has less clashes with gun forwards, so I might run with him.

  19. Shane

    January 24, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    nice article rainman :)

  20. eeepobreci

    January 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Another terrific article and “guide.”
    Will be very intesting if this year will be the “changing of the guard,” with these younger blokes.
    I still see great upside in some of the older proven fwds with dpp.
    Great stuff Rainman!

  21. The Johnsonator

    January 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Franklin and Martin
    Fyfe and Lewis

    • DS

      January 25, 2012 at 8:28 pm

      Franklin and Martin

  22. Magpie Mayhem

    January 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    I just so love the informative articles the DT die hards send in, it is the reason we all log on.
    There will always be knockers, they are of course jealous they are not smart enough or have the balls to send one in.
    Keep sending then boys I personally,I can’t wait for the next one.

  23. milhouse

    January 25, 2012 at 12:12 am

    hey rainman, what about robin nahas.. everyone is loving dusty but im thinking nahas is flying under the radar. the guy could be a gun

    • rainman

      January 25, 2012 at 8:03 am

      Hey Millhouse,

      I haven’t done the analysis on Nahas but he pulled out some great games last year and is the kind of player that is very DT friendly. Similar to Martin, I will monitor him over the start of the year and given the tigers tough initial draw might see if he is worth the investment post their bye.

  24. dools

    January 25, 2012 at 2:01 am

    well for a so called “useless article”, I along with many others seem to have got a lot of food for thought off it. A week ago I had zaha in my squad till I got the goss on his ongoing limp in training and switched him to sidebum, but now after reading this article Jordan Lewis (never even considered b4) has my full attention and is set to replace sidebum! Thanks heaps man for a great article that I for one found HIGHLY useful :0)

    • tuppy

      January 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      thats good that u got something out of it ,does that mean if he puts the same stats up for fvds,bks and rucks that youll change your mind again,if ya lucky ya might have the exact same team as him and when it wins you can feel proud and say to yourself ,lucky ‘i’ thought of that player or took a risk with this player
      anyone who hadnt atleast considered lewis before reading this article,,should be reading this sort of stuff

  25. tuppy

    January 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    tuppy doesnt come on here to just read other peoples things in a bid to make it easier for me,and i didnt tell anyone to go and play footy for 2 yrs ,i said that info/article was verging on annoying to read and that if youd been watching or playing dt for the last 2yrs youd pretty much know what it told you.
    which isnt much as far as im concerned,if it helped others then good .
    but my point is ya still have to pick ya own team and this write up wouldnt sway me at all..ya pick who ya want and who you want to take a risk on etc,the people slagging me off over what i said are prob the same ones that bitch about teams being too much alike
    i come on to dream team like the rest of us to read and follow the site because its the best one and its interesting,i just found that post as not interesting and of no help to me,,so u sooks that think that is why im on here can be happy about that…..and to the idoits that said they have kids in their house good for you thats some more useless info,i have two teenagers theres some useless info for you blokes
    opinions people that is just as much a part of this site as anything else

    • rainman

      January 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm

      Tuppy, please mate, if you are going to call me an idiot.. at least spell it correctly

    • eeepobreci

      January 25, 2012 at 2:15 pm

      Next time you read an article and don’t like it or find it interesting/helpful, how about moving on and NOT commenting, particularly in a derogatory manner.
      No one cares if you personally find an article helpful or not!!!
      It’s quite obvious, the majorityof the DT TALK community respect the efforts put in by those that contribute these articles, so yeah, if you’re post those kinds of comments, you’re gonna cop some flak for it!
      Happy Teaming.

    • hypojezza

      January 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      “opinions people that is just as much a part of this site as anything else”

      Yep, opinions are definitely a big part of this site.

      So is respect. Show some.

    • imofm

      January 25, 2012 at 6:29 pm

      christ, that’s the f**king saddest thing i’ve read today…tuppy breeds!

  26. Totto

    January 25, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    How did you forget the Breakout candidate for 2012… Patrick Dangerfield!!

  27. tuppy

    January 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    well done ya picked up a spelling error,just confirming your nerd status,so your a grammar nazi aswell good for you..i didnt realise you were one of the people that said he had kids in the house,so i wasnt directing the idiot at you..but if it was you that said it then yeah what an idiot piece of crab to tell people ,who cares most people have kids if not other things to worry about,but either way its got nothing to do with dt talk..that sort of talk would be another site completely
    i was mainly talking to the other sooks that had a go at me for thinking your write up was just a head f@#k and not much else,,i didnt think that it bothered you as much as others,but if it did ya might want to never put anything up ever again,because its an opinions based site and game and not everyone is gonna agree with you all the time
    so i didnt mean to call u an idiot ,that was for the other sooks who had a go at me ,ya not an idiot i just didnt care for the write up thats all ,i might like the next one

    • rainman

      January 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm

      It’s all good mate, it does not worry me and that is why I posted saying thanks for the feedback. The idea is to generate discussion, some good some bad and if you don’t read it or think it is worthwhile I cannot change that.

      All the best for the DT year mate

      • tuppy

        January 25, 2012 at 3:49 pm

        yep you too mate,like i said i might like the next thing u put up,but either way ill read it,,that one just did my head in a bit ,thats my problam haha should of stayed in school longer
        your not the one who cried about it,good luck to you too mate

  28. Warnie


    January 25, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Wowee… it seems like it’s now got to that time of the year that some panties have got themselves in a twist. “That article is shit”… “You make the game too easy”… “You blokes are a bunch of idiots because my opinion is the only right one out there and I don’t need this site anyway and I won’t be coming back every hour to see whats on here and what other people have said because I can’t get enough of it”.

    Ok. Big brother time here. No need to name calling, no need to bag out others who have contributed, in our opinion, in a great way for our website.

    DT TALK is a community and that’s what we want it to be! A place to share opinions WITHOUT calling people idiots because they don’t share the same point of view. If you don’t like something, move on. If you think it’s crap, be constructive with your thoughts… we appreciate anything that comes to our site! We could have very easily shut it down because we work full time jobs and also have part time stuff writing for Virtual Sports “Assistant Coach”. We have bugger all time these days and if it wasn’t for these articles and dudes writing them, then this site would be dead (maybe that would be a good thing haha).

    Anyway, stick with it! We still have 2 months until it all starts happening for real and then another 23 weeks to realise that even with this website, we are all still shit coaches and won’t win the car.

    • hypojezza

      January 25, 2012 at 2:34 pm

      Well said.

    • Nabzz

      January 25, 2012 at 3:32 pm

      onya warnie

    • PurpleArmy

      January 25, 2012 at 7:47 pm

      its because of this site i have a chance of winning the car at all. Well said Warnie everyone on this site is like a big family (bit gay but meh), we ask questions and we get answers and help. Living in Perth i have very minimal info on whats going on in the east so any info on players that gets posted on the site is so much help. To all the people posting, keep up the great work! ;)

  29. tuppy

    January 25, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    i got called a dick , trololol(whatever that is) told to fk off and asked to be banned all for having an opinion,which i didnt think was that bad at all(some others thought the same)and the bloke who wrote it didnt have a problam with it either. so i think i copped the worst of it.
    that was before i called anyone an idiot,and i didnt think there was anything wrong with a bit of good banter as we get closer to the season,but telling people that your busy or how many kids u have i thought that was a bit idiotic,and off topic everyone has their own issues
    and warnie is your description of what is unique the only right one,,i thought one that you pick yourself hopeing that they have a good season that isnt an obvious gun would qualify,i have had lewis in and out of my side a few times over the yrs,but never knew how many other teams had him,,thats something ya cant control
    but to wcarey your way off were not playing soccer here ,this is the best dt site and we all luv it but calling for me to be banned for them comments cmon,im not a champion but atleast i actually played at the top level for atleast a couple of games ,and against carey in a preseason final
    and crap like that would be water off the ducks bk,plus he would say something way worse and more manly than ban him!! give me a break

    • Warnie


      January 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      We’re playing a salary cap game, so the definition of unique is either non existent, or the one I have used. I think you’re talking about a smokey there – and in saying that, like I said, there isn’t really such thing as that (going by your definition) as every player is pretty well covered in pre-seasons.

      It’s all good… just stick with it! Make some good valid points, and everyone will show you respect again! It’s too easy to loose sight of things through text on the internet.

  30. Nooie

    January 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Good article! Still going with Johnson, Buddy, Cloke, Zaha and Martin. Will be lookin at Beams as an upgrade target.

    P.S. Please join my Cricket ODI Dream team! Only had 6 spots filled up! C’mon, join! CODE: 200997

    Thank You!

  31. tuppy

    January 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    ye no worries bare in mind your dealing with someone who didnt buy assit coach last yr and hasnt been able to get on and muck around with a squad (very hard to swallow that lol)
    i did think of the old ‘if ya havent got anything good to say dont say it’..but i did anyway and i honestly didnt think it was that bad..just really meant to say that would do MY head in,ofcoarse i respect someone that puts up stuff like that,,and can relate to it being his escape
    still not clear on the unique thing since a few people said they hadnt even thought of lewis till they seen the charts,and if virtually every player gets covered in the pre season and that makes them not unique,then why when these players get reviewed do yourself and the boys say he could make a good unique,and im not sure what part the salary cap plays
    maybe im splitting hairs or just lost ,but i thought a unique was a player that you can pick and hope others dont ,like cross over boyd,i wouldnt call cross a smokey,but ya save some $$ and hopefully they score pretty much the same
    but like i said im going stir crazy (re not buying the assist coach) cmon feb

    • Warnie


      January 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      Because they will still fit into a pretty standard DT definition of ‘unique’. I threw it out there on Twitter and most people said “players who aren’t picked by many”. That is a pretty easy way to call it, don’t you think.

      Why is Lewis a ‘unique’… well, because most people will have those others ahead of him (see poll above) and like I said before, less than 2000 (out of 300000) had him last year. That’s unique!

      • tuppy

        January 25, 2012 at 8:23 pm

        ye i think lewis is a unique,even though he hasnt worked out for me in the past,but after that write up people were considering him that hadnt even thought of him thats part of my point ,if everyone goes on them stats and picks him because of the charts heez not unique anymore
        i dont know about you but i dont pick my team on stats from the past ,im looking to find the best team going fwd
        ofcoarse people are going to say thats the definition of a unique player because it is….lewis wasnt a fwd last yr either,and if you do manage to pick a unique thats comes off ie suckling (last yr)heez not unique for long ,and vis versa if only 2000 take lewis this yr thinking he will be unique ,they will soon drop him if he isnt scoring well,still not sure why there is no uniques because of the salary cap
        you guys are allways saying this bloke and that bloke could be a unique pick,so finding the good ones is a big part of dt
        anyone can pick a unique player that only 2000k teams have,but theres no use having one that doesnt score well
        see i told ya i need dt to open :)

        • giants

          January 25, 2012 at 8:33 pm

          Being unique is overrated anyway.

        • Warnie


          January 25, 2012 at 8:37 pm

          What I mean by ‘no uniques in Salary cap games’ is that people can pick whoever they want… not one player was either not selected, or only picked by one coach last season. So plenty of people will have the same player, however unique they could be.

          Lewis will be the most unique out of the players there. Go through your leagues once Round 1 is here. I bet he is in less than 3 of your 18 teams in your leagues. The reason being, most people play safe. Yes, Lewis could be a great player, but the vast majority would pick those other players over him as a MID/FWD for a variety of reasons. For me, it is probably the last on the list.

          Unique, point of difference, etc… all have the same meaning here. This article will not make Lewis now a ‘popular’ pick at all. I think that is the point that I’m trying to get across… therefore, if he isn’t popular, he will be a unique pick.

          Probably makes not sense… maybe we all need to hibernate this week.

          • tuppy

            January 26, 2012 at 11:05 am

            ye i think i get what ya mean …the only truely unique player is in a draft league..and thats enough from me on this topic ,ya wont have to worry about me buying the assit coach this yr

  32. Brappinalong

    January 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    I think it’s time for a group hug.

    • Adamant

      January 25, 2012 at 6:59 pm

      +1 lol Brapp

  33. PurpleArmy

    January 25, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Id love a hug, its 40 degrees in Perth and my armpits are crying :(

    • PurpleArmy

      January 25, 2012 at 7:55 pm

      ^^^^^Brapps post^^^^^

  34. Reprobates

    January 25, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    …well that made for an interesting and entertaining read…. Lewis is in my thoughts, a different player with consistent scoring potential.. tempted to drop Franklin for Lewis. Want N. Riewoldt somehow. Thinking Franklin to Lewis,Christensen to Riewoldt?

  35. ChampsorChumps

    January 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Passes around the stubbies … OK Boys and Girls, kick back, relax, have a beer and lets get on with some great DT’ing. :D Less than a week until everything opens up and in the words of ‘Big Kev’ … “I’m Excited!”.

    Rainman, great article Mate, and it certainly raises a number of interesting points. DT is a numbers game and statistics can tell you a lot, but footy is also a hunch game where your guts can tell you something else. :-) Personally I’m opening up with Robbo and Dusty and hoping they pay off … if not, I can always trade one out … sometimes in life you just have to go for it. :-)

    Warnie, Vin, Roy and the other contributors to this site, the work you all do is greatly appreciated and has certainly made me a better DT’er. I do go off and do my own research and analyse things in a different way, but it helps to have other DT’ers to bounce ideas off or ascertain a different perspective. This aspect I think helps everyone become better. It is also funny how most of the people who post on this site would be in the top 5-10% of the DT Competition, with a vast number in the top 1%. This site is certainly a wonderful source of DT and Football knowledge.

    Have fun and happy DT’ing to you all. :-)

    • Reprobates

      January 25, 2012 at 8:12 pm

      ..I second the motion..Slainte!

    • Warnie


      January 25, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      Thanks man. We try to have a crack! Pay us back by signing up to the Assistant Coach when it opens so we can make our DT time worthwhile! ;)

      • rainman

        January 25, 2012 at 8:58 pm


      • Reprobates

        January 25, 2012 at 10:53 pm

        ..lots of similar teams to be seen so far..some great differences to be had, aside from the must haves..

        • Reprobates

          January 25, 2012 at 11:00 pm

          ..the must have being A. Bitoluck..

  36. The x Factor

    January 25, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    wow, it looks like fyfe is going to be unique……..

    just because of an injured shoulder…….

    I know people should be weary of picking him but he lasted the end of last season carrying his injury and we haven’t taken a glimpse of what he has to offer in the nab cup. He’s returned to training and should be ready for rnd 1 and at current I have him in my team.

  37. GrandOldFlag

    January 26, 2012 at 1:52 am

    Love the article Rainman and cudos for putting up the numbers. Hadn’t considered Lewis til this article and he may come into calculations.

    I am also keeping Dangerfield on my radar to track his position and form in the NAB cup. Currently have Martin and Sidebottom in but a lot can change, especially as I have $480k in the bank :S

  38. tuppy

    January 26, 2012 at 11:02 am

    thats a bit below the belt isnt it ?,,yeah i breed and my son is a gun that you might see in dt in the future,or (hopefully a bit longer than i was)..or maybe heel just play in a wafl premiership for the doggies and represent his state and country at junior level like his old man,either way im proud of him and heez preb def allready better than you ever were (if u played at all)

    • Brappinalong

      January 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm

      Tuppy, when you want to reply to a specific comment “click” reply directly below the comment. Your replies always start a fresh post and you don’t get the most out of what your trying to say – get me?

      • tuppy

        January 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm

        ye mate i am doing that ,i dont know why their not coming up underneath the comment intended..but enough has been said on this cheers

  39. malnmel

    January 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Trying to catch upon a few articles been flat chat last few days…great article rainman enjoyed it…but just as good were the comments by some….dont normally post much myself but by the time i got to the bottom of comments section i felt like i was reading text msg’s from my ex wife re tuppys comments…on and on and on, man chill out….maybe thats why u only played a couple of games at the top level, couldnt handle the sledging.
    Useless info..i played and coached footy for over 25 years at all levels ( luv to sledge hey warnie) no games on w.carey though lol, DODT i feel will help me take my game to the next level…thanks and keep up the great articles guys..

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